This site is about bad bookmakers. To help you avoid them and not lose your money.
This site is from my own betting experience. I bet with 60-70 bookmakers and have bet with over 100. Because if my winnings my limits are reduced by some bookmakers so I have left them. Others have I left because of slow pay out, deuced odds after accepting bet, bad behaviour etc.
bets4all (SBR rating F) withholding payment due to suspicion of syndicate wagering
The worst of all is when the bookmaker is fraudulent. Most punters lose and only pay and pay to their bookmaker. A few – like me- wins and order pay out. Those never get paid.
Imagine how great odds one can give and how much money to make when doing this fraud. Money in from all around the world because of a site on the Internet and advertising with scrupulous partners that do not mind sending victims to the “pay in only bookmaker”. And the payment providers supporting the activity – as well as a lot of companies around making money from this crime.
I will start with the latest fraud I am a victim to:
Bets4all is a bookmaker in Austria. Austria does not have a gaming board for sports betting. Else a complaint would have stop this fraud, which now have gone on for over a year with a large amount of victims. Large scale and world wide. It is far safer to bet with English bookmakers.
I ordered a pay out of Euro 900 after a warning that this site is run by frauds. Just to test, left Euro 500 on my account. I will tell details later, but in short:
Bets4all answered mails in the beginning. When I realized I got fraud they stopped answering my mails. I then ordered a pay out of the rest of my money, except a few Euro so they have to keep my account live.
So I am now trying to get my Euro 1400 for a long time. I have started actions against Bets4all. Police asked me to print out all activity, but bets4all had locked some activity so I could not see it. Then I sent bets4all a mail that I needed a print out to the police. Bets4all then closed my account completely – there was still some money in it.
I had already print everything out, so this action done by Bets4all is only another evidence to the police. But law and enforcement take time and during this time bets4all get more victims every day.
In the end I got paid – one of the few that succeed with this. What I did was very similar to what Gert Gambell did – http://gertgambell.net/dodgy-bookmakers.html. And the same conclusion, I can not tell details what I did, then those criminal learn counter measures.
Are you a victim to bets4all fraud?
If you are another victim so please send a mail to me at
Maybe I can help with some advice. Or get the Austrian authorities to stop this fraud. It is nothing else then swindle, betting rules are constantly changing – some times changed to “fit” your case when you have complained so print them out first – so bets4all can pretend as they are not criminals, they are “bookmakers”. This is because in Austria one have no gaming board, a loophole in the law.
I can only help one at the time and there is already a waiting list. I do not think Bill D can help, he help all at the same time and there is simply to many.
Bill D – the players advocate – have this info about Bets4all:
+ More is added 2007
Bill D reports:
The player’s original withdrawal was requested in May 2007. The sportsbook revoked his bonus and is withholding funds, demanding that the player reveal how he made his picks. bets4all users consistantly complain of the book’s failure to fill payout requests and respond to email.